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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.22 07:21:00 -
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Say there were 2 equivalent STD fittings, one is made of regular ISK gear, while the other is made of the faction store counterparts of that gear.
With the ISK rewards from a regular public contract you can buy between 6-33 full fits of the STD ISK fitting. With the LP rewards you can buy between 1-3 full fits (depending on standing) of the STD LP fitting.
The crappy ISK rewards you get from sitting in the MCC and doing nothing will still buy you more than the LP you get after grinding through and winning 200 matches and getting level 10 standing.
For player market profits: Players will need to value faction store items several times more than their ISK counterparts just to make FW worth it. If you have lv 10 standing, spend all of your victory LP from one battle on faction gear, and then sell that gear, it has to be valued 3x as much as regular items just to make about 100k on player market, if valued 4x value is about 140k, for 5x value 177k, for 6x value 213k. When your standing is level 10, players have to value faction store gear to be worth at least 6x the value of regular gear just to make a ISK comparable to a public contract skirmish's ISK rewards.
There is no reason to spend all that time in FW trying to get your standings up; a regular skirmish battle will likely be more profitable (win or lose) then a level 10 standing victory.
Full explanation and analysis here
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.22 07:41:00 -
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fawkuima juggalo wrote:Quote:
Guys, don't bother with FW
unless your really really good....  or a winimatard or gaylenteils
Even if you win every battle, still not worth it. Basically sacrificing your own financial good to help a action. Not good business on the factons' part, they need to pay way more LP.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.22 08:27:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:1. I'm sorry, but I can't do this in public matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDY23qFGpw4&feature=youtube_gdata_player2. You can't buy a boundless HMG that only costs as much fitting space as a MH-82 with isk. 3. LP items are just like AUR items. They cost less skill to use than isk variants. Maybe it isn't worth it for std gear, but the prototype stuff is definitely worth it to me. Also, what if the rewards gave you 500 at lvl 4, 1000 at lvl 6, and 2500 at lvl 10. Would it be worth it then? (these values are the original chart divided by 10)
Vulpes Dolosus wrote:There's still specialist equipment and weapons that have better stats/lower fitting requirements.
Unless the lowered-requirement or lowered-fitting-cost items worth 6x or more the price of regular versions, then its still not worth it. I explained and covered this in the thread I linked.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2013.12.22 08:48:00 -
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Absoliav wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:1. I'm sorry, but I can't do this in public matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDY23qFGpw4&feature=youtube_gdata_player2. You can't buy a boundless HMG that only costs as much fitting space as a MH-82 with isk. 3. LP items are just like AUR items. They cost less skill to use than isk variants. Maybe it isn't worth it for std gear, but the prototype stuff is definitely worth it to me. Also, what if the rewards gave you 500 at lvl 4, 1000 at lvl 6, and 2500 at lvl 10. Would it be worth it then? (these values are the original chart divided by 10) Vulpes Dolosus wrote:There's still specialist equipment and weapons that have better stats/lower fitting requirements. Unless the lowered-requirement or lowered-fitting-cost items worth 6x or more the price of regular versions, then its still not worth it. I explained and covered this in the thread I linked. One of the biggest problems you'll hear from Protobears is that the fitting cost to run Proto is extremely high, resulting in most Proto fits only going partially proto, while filling in the gaps with ADV or STD, no one can go full proto, but with the specialist weapons it allows some more free fitting space to maybe even go full proto. The value of the new proto specialist LP gear cannot be compared to standard proto, the edge it gives goes beyond simply doing one more point of damage, it up for the individual player to decide if it's worth the lost of ISK, I would much rather spend a day recovering my losses from LP than a month getting one skill to level five for a proto suit when I could have gotten it in 5 hours running FW.
Would you be willing to pay 6x or more the price of regular proto so you can fit more? Do you think most players would be willing to pay that much more? because if they're not, then FW players will be screwed by the player market.
Also keep in mind the 6x is just to make i comparable to a regular skirmish payout, and that's just IF you have level 10 standing.
Getting the skill to get proto is much more worth it then using lower-SP-requirement faction gear in the long run; its more sustainable to supply, and the skill bonus can make a difference.
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